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	<title>Comments on: The Principle of Charity and Gadamer&#8217;s View of Completeness</title>
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		<title>By: spicher</title>
		<link>http://tiestin.wordpress.com/2008/03/05/the-principle-of-charity-my-test-blog/#comment-18</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 15:22:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Assuming the text to be true does not mean that it is actually true. This is just a way to hold back one&#039;s knee jerk reactions against it. I think this is all I take from Gadamer&#039;s ideas on this topic, even though he arguably might mean more than this. In other words, the anticipation of completeness is trying to see things from another&#039;s perspective and trying to understand how what they are saying &quot;could&quot; be true. But it is not assuming that it is literally true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Assuming the text to be true does not mean that it is actually true. This is just a way to hold back one&#8217;s knee jerk reactions against it. I think this is all I take from Gadamer&#8217;s ideas on this topic, even though he arguably might mean more than this. In other words, the anticipation of completeness is trying to see things from another&#8217;s perspective and trying to understand how what they are saying &#8220;could&#8221; be true. But it is not assuming that it is literally true.</p>
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		<title>By: arpruss</title>
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		<dc:creator>arpruss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems to me that assuming the text to be true is one of the surest paths towards projecting one&#039;s own ideas onto the text.  (This creates a problem when the text is one, like Scripture, that in fact we know to be true.  There, I guess, we really need grace and the Church.)  Let&#039;s say I read Aristotle.  He seems to be saying something sexist and false (e.g., that the virtues proper to women are of lesser value than the virtues proper to men).  Since I am reading him under the assumption that what he says is true, I will then opt for some reinterpretation that makes him out to be saying something true (maybe he is only saying that the virtues proper to women are of lesser instrumental value in his culture).  But this reinterpretation, quite likely, is wrong (in this example it surely it is) and so I am a bad interpreter.  If I allowed the possibility that Aristotle is sometimes wrong, I wouldn&#039;t have made this mistake.  One might think this problem comes only when I import my own beliefs.  Well, I can&#039;t really not do that.  But suppose I could.  Reading the text as if it were true will force me to reconcile inconsistencies.  But what if the text is in fact inconsistent as written?  Then I will again opt for implausible reinterpretations.

I wonder if a good way to read a non-sacred text might not be the following.  Read it once assuming it&#039;s all true.  Read it again assuming it is totally wrongheaded but wrongheaded in an interesting way.  Then read it a third time, open to learning from the text the extent to which the text is true or false.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me that assuming the text to be true is one of the surest paths towards projecting one&#8217;s own ideas onto the text.  (This creates a problem when the text is one, like Scripture, that in fact we know to be true.  There, I guess, we really need grace and the Church.)  Let&#8217;s say I read Aristotle.  He seems to be saying something sexist and false (e.g., that the virtues proper to women are of lesser value than the virtues proper to men).  Since I am reading him under the assumption that what he says is true, I will then opt for some reinterpretation that makes him out to be saying something true (maybe he is only saying that the virtues proper to women are of lesser instrumental value in his culture).  But this reinterpretation, quite likely, is wrong (in this example it surely it is) and so I am a bad interpreter.  If I allowed the possibility that Aristotle is sometimes wrong, I wouldn&#8217;t have made this mistake.  One might think this problem comes only when I import my own beliefs.  Well, I can&#8217;t really not do that.  But suppose I could.  Reading the text as if it were true will force me to reconcile inconsistencies.  But what if the text is in fact inconsistent as written?  Then I will again opt for implausible reinterpretations.</p>
<p>I wonder if a good way to read a non-sacred text might not be the following.  Read it once assuming it&#8217;s all true.  Read it again assuming it is totally wrongheaded but wrongheaded in an interesting way.  Then read it a third time, open to learning from the text the extent to which the text is true or false.</p>
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		<title>By: spicher</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Blondehead [this name is from my favorite tv show and it seems that it can apply to you].

This issue is where Gadamer and I part company. He does not believe that there can ever be presuppositionless interpretation, which I partially believe. Gadamer maintains that allowing your prejudices full-play in the interpretive process will expose them and then you can eventually reject the ones that hinder interpretation. And yes, Gadamer&#039;s view is that we have to try to expose as many as we can, and somehow we can yield good interpretations from this method. Gadamer does not, however, support the notion of objectivity in interpretation.

But I, on the other hand, think it quite curious that bad prejudices could ever yield good interpretations. If one&#039;s starting point is misguided, then how can one&#039;s interpretation be good? One way to avoid this dilemma is to allow the notion that maybe not all prejudices [or presuppositions] are in fact bad. For example, the Law of Non-Contradiction [it looks more authoritative when capitalized] is certainly a &quot;necessary&quot; presupposition for all thought, in my view. These types of laws, for Aristotle and Aquinas, are considered to be the first principles of study [and each field will have its own first principles]. First principles, for those who hold to them, are self-evident and undeniable; and they are necessary as a starting point. 

I do think that Gadamer has given us some insight into recognizing our psychological prejudices against certain authors or systems. For example, in philosophy, people often assume they know where the author is going and then they quit reading. Sometimes they might actually be right. However, just because we believe Kant is an idealist, it does not follow that we understand everything about him because we have read some other idealists. This is where i believe that Gadamer has helped us in the field of hermeneutics. If we try to understand how someone&#039;s view could be right, then we are better equipped to understand them.

hope that makes things more clearer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Blondehead [this name is from my favorite tv show and it seems that it can apply to you].</p>
<p>This issue is where Gadamer and I part company. He does not believe that there can ever be presuppositionless interpretation, which I partially believe. Gadamer maintains that allowing your prejudices full-play in the interpretive process will expose them and then you can eventually reject the ones that hinder interpretation. And yes, Gadamer&#8217;s view is that we have to try to expose as many as we can, and somehow we can yield good interpretations from this method. Gadamer does not, however, support the notion of objectivity in interpretation.</p>
<p>But I, on the other hand, think it quite curious that bad prejudices could ever yield good interpretations. If one&#8217;s starting point is misguided, then how can one&#8217;s interpretation be good? One way to avoid this dilemma is to allow the notion that maybe not all prejudices [or presuppositions] are in fact bad. For example, the Law of Non-Contradiction [it looks more authoritative when capitalized] is certainly a &#8220;necessary&#8221; presupposition for all thought, in my view. These types of laws, for Aristotle and Aquinas, are considered to be the first principles of study [and each field will have its own first principles]. First principles, for those who hold to them, are self-evident and undeniable; and they are necessary as a starting point. </p>
<p>I do think that Gadamer has given us some insight into recognizing our psychological prejudices against certain authors or systems. For example, in philosophy, people often assume they know where the author is going and then they quit reading. Sometimes they might actually be right. However, just because we believe Kant is an idealist, it does not follow that we understand everything about him because we have read some other idealists. This is where i believe that Gadamer has helped us in the field of hermeneutics. If we try to understand how someone&#8217;s view could be right, then we are better equipped to understand them.</p>
<p>hope that makes things more clearer.</p>
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		<title>By: jaeaton</title>
		<link>http://tiestin.wordpress.com/2008/03/05/the-principle-of-charity-my-test-blog/#comment-15</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 15:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess one concern I have is this:  can we really escape our prejudices?  Ideally it makes sense that we can &quot;charitably&quot; read a text, but is our &quot;charitable&quot; reading completely free from prejudice?  Is it not our societal position, our upbringing, our present understanding of a field, among other unchangeable things which causes our prejudices?  If we cannot escape our prejudices, is Gadamer&#039;s call for us to simply name as many as we can for others to understand us as we respond to a text?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess one concern I have is this:  can we really escape our prejudices?  Ideally it makes sense that we can &#8220;charitably&#8221; read a text, but is our &#8220;charitable&#8221; reading completely free from prejudice?  Is it not our societal position, our upbringing, our present understanding of a field, among other unchangeable things which causes our prejudices?  If we cannot escape our prejudices, is Gadamer&#8217;s call for us to simply name as many as we can for others to understand us as we respond to a text?</p>
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		<title>By: daviskuykendall</title>
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		<dc:creator>daviskuykendall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 04:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post.  I like the part about philosophy asking questions.  Philosophy shouldn&#039;t be a pissing contest, even though it sometimes seems that way.  If it&#039;s the pursuit of truth, then that requires asking questions.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post.  I like the part about philosophy asking questions.  Philosophy shouldn&#8217;t be a pissing contest, even though it sometimes seems that way.  If it&#8217;s the pursuit of truth, then that requires asking questions.</p>
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		<title>By: jaeaton</title>
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		<dc:creator>jaeaton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 21:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s like the golden rule--for hermeneutics.  That&#039;s something I was taught in Glenn&#039;s classes--charitable interpretation.  Not just fair, but charitable--giving benefit of the doubt.  It seems the way that Socrates went about.  He always assumed his interlocutor had something to say and through questions he brought it out from them.  Even when there were flaws, he assumed &quot;you must not mean that.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s like the golden rule&#8211;for hermeneutics.  That&#8217;s something I was taught in Glenn&#8217;s classes&#8211;charitable interpretation.  Not just fair, but charitable&#8211;giving benefit of the doubt.  It seems the way that Socrates went about.  He always assumed his interlocutor had something to say and through questions he brought it out from them.  Even when there were flaws, he assumed &#8220;you must not mean that.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: spicher</title>
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		<dc:creator>spicher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope you&#039;re not disappointed, Joel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope you&#8217;re not disappointed, Joel.</p>
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		<title>By: jaeaton</title>
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		<dc:creator>jaeaton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 13:54:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m looking forward to the meat and potatoes of this blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m looking forward to the meat and potatoes of this blog.</p>
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